Disgraceful Sectarianism Scenes Live from Ibrox

There's no debating with bigots; particularly that weasel.
Theres no debating if one side resorts to name calling and obscenities as opposed to merely leaving it at agree to disagree and regardless of your views, have to accept the other sides may be just as strong in theirs and unshakeable regardless.
But this site has a lot of characters and would be a pity to lose some because others strong in their opinion fail to allow others theirs regardless of what they may be.
 
Theres no debating if one side resorts to name calling and obscenities as opposed to merely leaving it at agree to disagree and regardless of your views, have to accept the other sides may be just as strong in theirs and unshakeable regardless.
But this site has a lot of characters and would be a pity to lose some because others strong in their opinion fail to allow others theirs regardless of what they may be.
The result of attempting reasoned debate with a particular member is well evidenced by the number of members denounced as 'huns' for their attempts on this very thread.
 
The result of attempting reasoned debate with a particular member is well evidenced by the number of members denounced as 'huns' for their attempts on this very thread.
But did they resort to name calling or defend their position with evidence, remember there has been a lot huns walked through these blogs and a lot of people on here migrated from a blog that became swarmed, so maybe some folk might be apprehensive, but does that mean they should be ridiculed or have their character attacked. i was called a drug dealer on a certain blog because i used to actually tell members i was popping out and would be back during conversations and a hun (proven to be one) started putting it out i was taxing and selling drugs, without resorting to his allegations i continued on the blogs ignoring him and building trust with others whom i shared conversations with regards most things of Interest to all Celtic.
It's easy to walk away or ignore someone and not let it get to you. Your inner strenght and belief in your ability is what counts when it comes to it. Anyway just my tuppence worth for what its worth.
 

Catholic Church demands court action on Rangers fans who ‘perpetrated discrimination’ & ‘incited acts of prejudice’​


THE Catholic Church in Scotland is calling for legal action over religious prejudice displayed by Rangers fans during chaotic scenes in Glasgow on Saturday.
Thousands of Gers supporters gathered at Ibrox and George Square on Saturday to celebrate the club lifting the Scottish Premiership2
The Catholic Church is calling for court action against Rangers fans who "incited acts of anti-Catholic prejudice"Credit: PA: Press Association

Police estimated 15,000 supporters visited George Square in the city centre, with many setting of pyrotechnics and smoke bombs.
There was also sectarian singing and illegal public drinking at the popular city centre site.
As the revelling went into the evening, things turned violent as Rangers fans turned on each other and police got attacked, with five officers injured and 28 arrests made.
A spokesperson for the Catholic Church said it hopes those responsible for the alleged "hateful" sectarian slurs are held to account.

Riot police were sent into clear fans when disorder broke out
They said: "We welcome the First Minister’s condemnation of what she has described as 'vile anti-Catholicism' and hope that police reports passed to Procurators Fiscal make reference to the expressions of such hatred.
“It is to be hoped, that the Scottish Government, the police, prosecution service and the courts hold to account the perpetrators of such hateful discrimination as well as those who incited acts of anti-Catholic prejudice.”
 
From a Bhoy on CQN

AN TEARMANN on 24TH MAY 2021 1:45 PM

Hugh MacDonald: George Square was a howl of rage but it may also be a cry for help

IT was instructive to be an unwitting attender at the Rangers celebrations last week. Heading for the Clyde tunnel on the way home after a holiday on Arran, my car gently eased its way among supporters at Ibrox more than two hours after the match and presentation of the Scottish Premiership trophy.

My passenger, who knows as much about football as I do about astrophysics, asked for an explanation of the scenes. Her reply was pointed. “If they are celebrating, why does everyone seem so angry?”

Why, indeed.

I have watched Scottish football in eight different decades. The biggest most dramatic switch in this time has been the role and perception of Rangers in the national game.

Once it was an institution viewed, with resentment or awe, as the establishment club. Once, with varying degrees of accuracy, it was viewed as the second club for those fans of Falkirk, Kilmarnock, Hearts or whoever. A friend once opined to me many decades ago: “There are two supports in Scotland: the Celtic support and the anti-Celtic support.”

No more. Rangers have become isolated. The club and the fans have become the targets of contempt, vilification and wounding humour. This all coalesced around the liquidation of the Rangers Football Club plc which was started in 2012.

The anger of the Rangers fans, though, has deeper causes than the economic meltdown of their club and the perceived injustices that ensued.

There is disillusion even disenfranchisement at the heart of a substantial section of the Ibrox support. It is ironically expressed in the slogan that is plastered on club property and routinely expressed by the support. It proclaims: We Are The People. Except, of course, they are not. They are some of The People but increasingly at odds with a changing Scotland.

There were once certainties in Scotland. I lived through them as a child of the sixties. It was a country of largely full-employment. What was dubbed the white, Protestant working-class were ensured a job, perhaps even a trade. There was a simple monoculture, Scottish nationalism was largely a fringe belief that flared up occasionally at by-elections.

The routine question of what school you attended, asked in interviews and placed on forms, served as protection to the Protestant, or more accurately non-Catholic, status quo,

No more. Scotland is a multi-cultural society, however fragile and incomplete that state may be. Scotland is a country where the Union is under threat. Scotland is no longer a country of full employment. Scotland is a country where the working-class can now be crudely lumped as the non-working class.

This has all impacted heavily on a constituency who believed they were The People. Historic certainties have disappeared. They have been replaced by a reality that is unpalatable. Once seemingly in tune with prevailing orthodoxy, they are now loudlu discordant as the world moves on and they are marooned in a present and future that offers only a threat to beliefs they hold but cannot fully articulate.

Human beings crave certainty. The first reaction to change is often to stimulate our fight or flight response. There can be an added layer of resentment that those who were once viewed as intrinsically and irredeemably inferior are now patently in positions of power and influence. There can be a feeling that one is cast aside, forgotten, no longer part of the imperatives or drift of society at large.

All this was reflected in the chants and songs over last week. But it was most obviously demonstrated in behaviour. The violence was explained by some as a “football thing”. It was labelled by others as a “drink thing”. But other football fans do not “celebrate” this way. When Rangers fans discovered there was no one to fight with, they fought with Rangers fans.

Celtic won 12 consecutive, domestic trophies – the last just before Christmas – without the need to call in police in riot gear. St Johnstone won the league cup this season and the idea of fan disorder in Perth is absurd to the point of producing a guffaw.

This is a Rangers problem. This is a problem that permeates the Rangers support. It flared up gaudily and violently last week. It occurred in March after the league was won. It happened in Manchester at the UEFA Cup final in 2008. It happens with a weary regularity.

There is deep, unaddressed anger in all of this. The events at George Square can be described as a howl of rage.

But it may also be a cry for help.
 
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